038 - Overcoming Entrepreneurial Anxiety... Can You Ever Put It Behind You? With Cody Gauthier




Tedx Speaker


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Show Notes

Josh Tapp 0:00
What's up everybody? Josh Tapp here again and welcome back to the lucky Titan podcast. So today we have Cody Goff here on the mic. Cody is the co host of all yours podcast with his co host, Sam Jensen. And Cody actually started his career as a mental health therapist, he was able to start and build his practice within six months to the point that he even had a waiting list. Because of this, Cody has been able to speak all over the world being a TEDx speaker, sharing his message about overcoming anxiety and stress. So Cody is here today to share with us how to overcome entrepreneurial anxiety. The real question is, can you ever put it behind you? So Cody with that? Let's hop right in.
All right, Cody. So tell us one thing about yourself that most people don't know.
Cody Gauthier 0:45
So one thing about myself that most people don't know or understand is that I'm I'm ambidextrous in the sense that like when I was growing up, I saw like for example, Barry Bonds, play baseball and so I decided that I was going to bat righty when my dad was teaching
How to swing. When really I'm a lefty and everything else. So I was telling you, telling you how I just learned how to play the guitar and I air guitar with my left hand. But then when I went to go pick up a guitar about better with my right hand, what it turns out is that if I were to watch people play guitar, I can end up playing both ways, which is weird, because I don't think it has anything to do with the strength of each arm and more to do with just me wanting to play the guitar that way. I
Josh Tapp 1:26
wish I could do that and just want to play the other way. So weird. pletely dominant, right? Is there anything you are a therapist, right, so I mean, when you've got that, do you understand that there's like left brain right brain so is there something to do with that with being ambidextrous like that like that helps you to perform better.
Cody Gauthier 1:45
If there is then I'm this like, weird anomaly because I tell people all the time that I have no right brain orientation, like I like they were. There's an art therapist that I work with, who does a group right after mine on Fridays, and they're doing like this Really interesting art therapy tech technique. And I'm just like, I cannot even imagine what they're doing. I'm like, if you sat me down and made me like draw something about my internal world, I'd end up drawing a stick figure. So I'm like, I don't think it has anything to do with that.
Josh Tapp 2:17
That is hilarious. Well, that's now that we know that about you, you know, you're ambidextrous, I can start throwing questions at you from both sides. Right. So do you sing us a song while you're on here tonight? So, let's, let's dive in a little bit about your background here. So kind of walk us through how you got to where you're at and where are you doing right now?
Cody Gauthier 2:36
Totally. Okay, I'll give you the I'll try to give you the sparknotes um, I I grew up in a pretty small town so I you know, I tell people that I was relatively like sheltered in terms of like diversity, social cultural backgrounds. Which is funny because I ended up you know, going through undergrad, and then making them into grad school as an MSW. We're all we learned about is like historical oppression and how best to serve people. From marginalized backgrounds, so it was an eye opening experience going into social work school. Um, I knew that I wanted to do psych since I was in, I think middle school because I had a baseball coach who was an amazing guidance counselor, and I was like, I could be a baseball coach and a guidance counselor. You know, and then, you know, I have my own story, mental health, which I'll get to, but I always, I struggled with, I think depression as a kid. And I think that sort of manifested in like, an eating disorder, specifically orthorexia, which is male dominated. And that's sort of transformed when I got to, and then I went to graduate school UConn go huskies and, and then I impulsively moved out here, out here to California. And I was teaching at a school and I was doing out of college and I was doing some mental health work. And then I decided, you know what, I'm I'm going to try to see how it goes, you know, doing private practice. And that really opened up a new world for me because it gave me the time to do other things, which is why I'm doing podcasts. Guess why I've why I've recently done a TED talk on men's mental health, because my newest sort of like side passion is men's mental health advocacy, which would make sense because you can transform your story into helping other people. And that's sort of what social work in, like my life has been about is trying to like, reach as many people as possible with something that I feel like is really important. So that's the sparknotes. I don't know. And I have my own podcast, which will be on in half an hour,
Josh Tapp 4:36
which I love. So we'll actually post that in the description of this this podcast as well. Well, we'll create a loop of podcasts there.
Unknown Speaker 4:43
Josh Tapp 4:44
I love that. I mean, really, you have a great story. And I do want to preface that as well and kind of add to your story. So everybody knows, I mean, you started your own private practice in one year, you are completely booked out. You have a waiting list. That's very impressive. First off, especially if you're a medical practitioner of any sort, a lot of them are saying, Okay, well, how did you? How'd you do that? So we're not going to delve a whole ton into your business journey. But I would kind of like to know how you were able to grow that so quickly.
Cody Gauthier 5:12
So that's a really good question. I'm, I'm in the South Bay, which there's a lot of Beach City Schools near us. And so I knew when we started the practice, and there's six of us in the practice, I knew the first thing that my supervisor told me and it was great advice was to start meeting, start meeting the school counselor, start meeting the psychiatry, the psychiatrists, the pediatricians. And I've always loved networking. If you talk to anyone that I've ever, you know, like all my professors, I wasn't the smartest person in the room, but I was always the person who's the most energetic. So I sort of spent a lot of time trying to connect with, you know, you know, pediatricians, I'd go to schools, and I'd be like, Hey, I just want to let you know that I'm, I'm working at this practicing promotion. I have one of your clients, and blah, blah, blah, blah. All right, one of your students and This, it turned out that, you know, once you build a relationship with those people, they they remember you and I've been really lucky and grateful to have people refer to me as like the men's mental health specialist, because that's sort of grown alongside that is that I have a relatability to me because I have a baby face. So a lot of the teams and parents feel comfortable being able to come in because I'm not this stuffy old man, no offense to the old men therapists like we
Josh Tapp 6:27
worship because of you know,
Cody Gauthier 6:31
there's just a relatability that I think is helpful, you know, so I, I get a lot of it to like connecting and then having people trust me. Yeah. With something that I feel like I'm okay. And, you know,
Josh Tapp 6:41
yeah. Which is really awesome, because you're able to be that relatable and it probably has more to do with your personality than your baby face right?
Cody Gauthier 6:50
There driving
Josh Tapp 6:53
interrelates That's hilarious. Well, so that's so awesome because you're able to just network and grow and that's honestly what we advocate For everybody, you know, it's all about those, you know, joint venture partnerships. And in your case, I mean, it didn't have to mean Oh, you have to kick anything back to people. It was, Hey, I just, this is what I do. And you know, and then new you can't unsee establish you as an industry authority right off the bat, which is so awesome. So let's delve now into kind of the main reason we brought you on, we'll be talking about, you know, men's well being their mental health and honestly, for a lot of our listeners, because we do have women as well, this is completely it's not gender bias, right. A lot of these issues are very unisex, I guess, is the word for it. Right? Right. So let's delve a little bit into the imposter syndrome and you know that the mental mental health
Cody Gauthier 7:44
Sure, um, so for people who don't understand or don't maybe know the term imposter syndrome, it's essentially you always feeling as though you're out of place in in the midst of success or in the midst of progress in your life. You hit it New barrier, or you hit a new, I guess milestone in your life. And that's met with an intense amount of like, shame and and and I guess like almost as if like you You think why me and and you're waiting for things to crumble. And that's that's you know that's very it's neurotic it's a little bit it's anxiety provoking and it sort of builds this cloud over what would be a very a moment where you can be very grateful for where you are, you can be very appreciative of what you've done. I also think it gives people like us an edge. So anybody with impostor syndrome also thinks I got to do more, I got to create more I got in because they're always thinking, well, maybe I can just outrun the cloud. So that's sort of imposter syndrome in a nutshell. And the way that I've it's happened in my life is that I come like I said, I come from a small town where there was, you know, I think there was a lot of like, industry loyalty in the sense that like, I grew up seeing my parents work for 20 years. In the same job, I saw, you know, people who never left my hometown and were just content with the lives that they had. And me wanting more felt so foreign for me feeling as though I could achieve more felt so foreign to me until I really left and was able to sort of see what it would look like, even in you know, Connecticut. So I think there's that there's a lot of us that a lot of the clients that I see have that same sort of mindset, where it's like, I've only seen this, and now that I'm asking for more or feeling as though I deserve more, it comes so boring to me that it it. It's terrifying. So that's sort of how I orient now it's being able to talk to people about that dilemma.
Josh Tapp 9:39
Yeah, when in youth, like you said, You've already had a lot of experience with this and overcoming, you know, the mental disorder because I think a lot of people don't realize that, you know, if you're having this imposter syndrome, it's usually tied to something deeper, right? And that's kind of what your your job is to work through and help people focus on that. So just a little background on yourself. You talked about you you've had some some issues yourself. For that you've been able to overcome.
Cody Gauthier 10:02
Oh my gosh, absolutely. And it's ever. It's not over, by the way, like, maybe and I think maybe that's the thing that I that I hope people understand is that like, when people talk about overcoming, you know, especially mental illness, it's a day to day process. It's just like addiction is like you are you are functioning day to day in service of how you can continue on this on this path of recovery. And for me, it was for me, it was like co-occurring, I struggled with an eating disorder, a lot of which was just me comparing myself to other people, and always being sort of frustrated of not being enough. So that would drive imposter syndrome when like, you'd never write during off, you're always striving for more, but you're ignoring one thing that is sort of like feeding that insecurity. Unfortunately, that that for me has always been my mental health thinking even as a therapist thinking like oh, like as long as everybody else that I'm working with has it together as a byproduct of what I'm doing with them. You know, even if it's just a little bit, then I can ignore what's going on in my own life. And, and we're very good at disguising that. And, you know, we talk to people on the podcast that are so high achieving that they're like, Well, my I mean, look at this, I make a six figure figure salary. I'm look at my love life is going amazing, but they have no idea that, you know, I isolate on weekends and after work, I'm having like four glasses of whiskey. And it's those kind of things that, that sort of drive this. It's a really interesting thing to look at. Once you come face to face with that it makes it even harder. Yeah, absolutely.
Josh Tapp 11:37
Or was really cool to me is that you were able to learn how to manage it's not even overcome, but you were able to learn how to manage it day by day. And from that you decided to actually turn it into a career because you're okay, I've got experience with this. Yeah. And that's what's cool because sometimes, especially in the you know, the therapy realm, there's people who are like, Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna treat you know, this addiction or, you know, decide I've never really experienced it myself, but it really intrigues me, you know, but for you, you're like, hey, I've been through this, you know, and this is exactly how you can get through this. And that's like, a huge sales factor for you.
Cody Gauthier 12:12
Absolutely. And people tell me all the time, or I've had people ask me, especially because I work, I do consulting work, and I run a couple of groups and an intensive outpatient for people in recovery from drug addiction. And I people in groups, maybe once every two or three weeks asked me like, Well, what do you you know, what are you recovering from? Like, do you use like, because these are people who are strung out on heroin who are like, Who is this 25 year old? Tell me, you're trying to tell me how to live my life. And I've always said like, you know, you, we can't jump into someone's story. We can't, we can't step in and say I know what you've been through. I understand what you've been through. I would never want to assume that about anyone. But I have I have said, I know what that feeling of helplessness is. I can totally feel you on this level of, you know, feeling as though you can't, you're trapped. So I'll never I'll never try to be the expert of someone else's story. But God knows I've felt what they felt in a different way. And I think that's, that's sort of the key. And I think any therapist who can do that is is, I mean, that's a good place to start.
Josh Tapp 13:14
Yeah. I really appreciate that. Well, so I do want to ask you along those lines, how do you help people overcome? I know, it's a huge therapy process, but what are kind of the steps to really recognizing that you have either imposter syndrome or some sort of mental mental disorder? And then how do you how do you guys treat it?
Cody Gauthier 13:33
I think it's this is such a cop out answer, but it's so individualized, right? Because some some clients that I work with, still feel as though I mean, think about any, anything, any behavior that you're doing that doesn't really serve you that on the outside, like if you were doing something if every day, you know you weren't let's say you were like overexercising, alright. Or something like that. Or you were, you know, having a few too many drinks every night. Like objectively, people might say, Oh, that's that doesn't look healthy. Um, but if I told you that if I said just that it's not healthy, like, you would be like, screw you. So what so the conversation turns into how does this still serve you? What What is it about the thing that you do or the thing that you don't let yourself have, whether it be appreciation for who you are? Or some of the things or why don't you like yourself? And I would never ask it that way. But we would start to explore how does this still serve you and what can we do to best help you realign with the person that you've sort of lost along the way, and I'm sort of dipping into Narrative Therapy because that's a lot of where I, as a clinician, I work out, it's like, you know, at one point you felt like you were enough at some point that was stripped away from you, whether it be because of trauma because of addiction because of something you've went through that just really tore you down. And you start to forget who you are. Yeah, and and we try to we try to find who that person is. That's a lot of the therapy process. And that was a very, like, vague way of me explaining what we do.
Josh Tapp 15:05
Now it makes sense. So I'm it's really it's trauma work, right? I mean, it's working on where their their biggest issues are. And I mean, I understand that it's definitely an individualized scenario, but how do you help people in recognizing that for themselves? You know, like really, because like you said, You're it's not you can't just tell them Oh, this is this is you have a problem, right?
Cody Gauthier 15:26
Yeah, I am. It's funny. Like there's a saying in motivational interviewing, which motivational interviewing and saying, like you're at this stage where things are clearly going wrong, but you may not see them yet. There's no insight, or there's no self awareness yet. And we try to take you on this path towards feeling as though you can be an action which is past contemplation. It's in this place of like, okay, I recognize this and I'm ready to act in a way that might help me. Somewhere along the way, people develop insight into saying like, Oh, wait, this is how my actions are affecting others. And once you capture that, I think and not just myself but other people. Because I think people are okay with self sabotaging, right to a degree I was okay with self sabotaging. But once you once you really show the impact on like, on an on a larger scale, but you say it but you're able to process it in a way that says, you know, you don't deserve this. And if that's true, then what can we how what steps can we take towards helping you develop a new path, people start finally getting into a place where they start questioning, like, what you know, what changes and what small changes they can make, so that, you know, they can move forward in a way that sort of serves them rather than this pattern that's been killing them for years. Right, you know,
Josh Tapp 16:40
which I really appreciate about that. I mean, so as a person who struggled with anxiety before, I mean, it's wireless things. I think a lot of times, especially in the entrepreneurial realm, we just say okay, well, I'll just push through it or I'll, when I'm making more money or when I've hit this goal or whatever, I I'll be happy, right and I'll be able to overcome it. But what do you tell people in that situation?
Unknown Speaker 17:03
This is the this is the IF THEN mentality. This is like, what?
Cody Gauthier 17:07
If I only if I only get this, then I'll feel this. And that is, I mean, that is anxiety working. It's magic. Or, I mean, what I often tell people is that, and I don't, I don't try to make it blatant. But oftentimes, if you know someone, if you've developed a really good rapport with someone, you're able to say, Well, I remember I remember you saying that, you know, once you when you and your mom are on better terms, then maybe you'll finally you know, do blank, maybe you'll finally feel blank. But um, but I'm noticing that, you know, that's that's not happening. And then we really try to dig into like, what part of you is pushing off the inevitable of looking at something that you haven't looked at yet? For me, for example, I always used to say and I say this, I said this in the TED talk that I did, was that my if then was that if there had to be a moment, so I was like, Well, if I get caught, you know, bingeing one day, right, by either by a family member or friend, I always thought that that would happen, by the way. Yeah, I always thought that I always thought that someone would like find me out. And I'm like, Well, if that happens, then I will absolutely change because the shame will drive me forward. Well, guess what? Guess what? No way. All it did was drive me further down. So we collude against ourselves, our anxiety and our that internal world that we live with that in that really negative voice, will try to tell us that there's going to be a moment where we change. And sometimes it's external. Sometimes it's internal, but oftentimes, it just pushes us further down. And it's the exact opposite of what we need. Most of the time. We just need connection, or we need we need someone to be able to tell us that we're not alone, which I wish I would have known earlier, and I wish to find out a little later on.
Josh Tapp 18:51
Well, what's really funny, I know something that's helped me a ton, is understanding that concept. You know, it's if you if you're thinking that Then mentality it's almost always wrong. Almost always. And it's that black and white mentality of Oh, well, if this then this, you know, but if this definitely not this, right,
Cody Gauthier 19:10
right, and they're they're gonna be listeners out there who are like, Yeah, but it works for me because seriously, we I mean, I think we became or we have become more successful because we think if then, like, I have done that so many times I'm like, if I can just get to, you know, let's say like 1000 downloads on then then I will feel so confident going in going to sponsors and going to ask advertisers for blah, blah, blah, right but but there's still this insecurity that like, well, what if they think this What if they think this like, I've done that in every step of my career, every every training I go to, I'm like, Well, I just get MBR train. I will be the best therapist and then I'm like, my egos like, Don't say that.
Josh Tapp 19:51
Yeah, it's really funny. I actually I've been working with that multiple people are in the seven figures range. And it's so funny to watch these people because I mean, the seven figure mark them million dollar mark for most entrepreneurs is like you've made it, you know, you've you've, you've hit it, there's no, there's no more worry in your life. I go to work with these people, we go to build them out of mastermind or something, and they are still struggling with imposter syndrome. But what they've learned to do, a lot of them have learned, okay, I've learned how to manage this. And one of the things that's one of the guys that we've worked said, that just totally like, changed my paradigm was I scare myself every day. So I scare the crap out of myself every day, he goes out and he's like, if I'll do that, that's when I succeed. And he's like, even though I know I'm not, you know, quote unquote, worthy of this or feel like I'm not worthy of this. I can just, if I go and do it and reach out to people, it starts to make me more worthy of that, you know, I'm creating that space for myself, which I really appreciate. Absolutely.
Cody Gauthier 20:47
That's a really good point.
Josh Tapp 20:48
So I really love that but well, Cody, I'd like to kind of redirect conversation a little bit now. Because I love the direction we're going with this and really the the imposter syndrome idea. I will Want to apply this directly to you though, because you just got asked to give a TED talk. And you're telling me I had imposter syndrome hardcore with that. So, so walk us through a little bit how you got that deal. And, you know, kind of how it felt getting into it.
Cody Gauthier 21:14
Sure, um, I got nominated by a former professor of mine. I didn't know she did it.
She was she knew the curator.
And it was a, it was at the school that I had gone to my alma mater. And I, when I found out that I got nominated, I said to myself, well, I mean, they're picking through a bunch of AP. I mean, they think it was like over like 200 applicants. I was like, there's no way I'm getting this, but I'll submit something because you have to submit your materials and stuff. And I didn't even know what I was gonna do and on and I remember being on a walk because I go for like morning walks. And I was telling you before this, I like transcribed notes or I, like, you know, try to write a blog, and I wrote this long, like, story. You know, that story, the story that I tell now and it didn't sound like you know, garbled a garbled mess But I was like, Well, if I told that in a better way, I think that'd be a good TED Talk. And, and I formalized it. And I was lucky enough to get picked, like three months later, because I went through like three, you know, this process of weeding out people and, and going having finalist. And, honestly, and, you know if it doesn't look like I'm nervous up there, but I was absolutely terrified before going on, there was this there was this moment where we had done dress rehearsal, and I was like, oh, man, like, I didn't like the way it sounded there. But I was so and then. And then I had this like, this rush of adrenaline right before the show where I was like, No, no, no, like, you know what you're gonna say, and you're probably going to be really pumped after you get done. And I that message kept playing in my head because I have a lot of energy. And if you go watch the TED talk, I you'll you'll end up laughing now that you know me a little bit you'll you'll start you'll laugh because you'll be like, Oh my god, like that's him in a nutshell because I'm kind of just like having fun. Which right which I will I could have told myself before this because every other speaking thing I used to teach, I mean, I still teach. And I'm like, that's literally me when I teach, I'm just like talking about something that I know about. And it didn't help that it was my own story. You know, it was my story of like, managing an eating disorder and being able to really overcome that in a way that helps the people that I serve. Now. That's a story I tell all the time. So I'm very grateful for the opportunity. And I'm really grateful to be on the speaker's bureau now where I can, I can take that Launchpad of a platform and say, you know, this is what I have to offer for people who again meant that I forget the statistics on men's specifically males and eating disorders, but it's so low, especially with anorexia, especially with bulimia. Miley was like another non otherwise specified, because there was binge eating, but it was, I still think that a lot of the control aspects and the tenants of it are important, and I want to be able to spread that story because I had so many people, women and men included, that can came up to me, and messaged me and DM me saying, like, holy crap, all it took was for you to say that, you know, I felt alone. And now I'm not alone, they needed to hear that someone else was going through it. And I didn't know that I I guess this is the interesting part, but I didn't think that that voice would carry or that that would travel like that. So I've been, I've, you know, you're catching me in a weird moment because I just put up the video like two weeks ago, like a week ago, and I'm still sort of processing what it means for people to reach out still people that I haven't spoken to in years. So yeah. Which is
Josh Tapp 24:36
really awesome though. Because, like you said, you're able to go up and just say, you know, come up May, I'm gonna feel pumped out because I, I did my best as best I could do.
Cody Gauthier 24:45
Right? And that's all I could do. Like, I knew I wasn't gonna mess up at this point. All I the only thing I could control was the energy that I brought to the to the talk,
Josh Tapp 24:52
right? Which I really appreciate that because as an entrepreneur, that's, that's the key point. You know, is You're going to feel like an imposter no matter what I guarantee you there's even billionaires who show up and they're like, I should not be in this room. You know? A great example actually Dean grassy OC, if you've ever studied him at all, he's a billionaire. But he didn't. He barely graduated high school. I never went on to college. And he got asked to come speak at Harvard about business. I had, he was like, it was the most intimidating thing of my life because they're all way more educated than me. a billionaire, you know. It just it's just crazy to see those those examples and just realize it's, it's a plague. That's something we all have, to varying extents. So well, Cody, you brought a lot of value to our listeners today. Thank you so much for coming and sharing that so before we sign off, though, let's let's have you share one last parting piece of guidance with us and let us know how we can connect with you.
Cody Gauthier 25:49
Sure, um, I think the only thing I would say because I don't I don't want this to be gender bias. Right. I'm, you know, I just happened to be a male going who is had experience with mental health concerns Right. And I and I know that typically men don't speak out, we often men suffer in silence. And so that's my message is that hopefully if there are any men or young males who are listening, especially young males who are listening, because there's so much external crap, that you know, with society and also with like brain groups and cliques and how that is portrayed to, for men are supposed to, you know, just suck it up around that, is that being vulnerable, that I was saying this in the podcast a couple weeks ago, where it's like, that's, that's where you sort of Own your your manhood is by being able to be vulnerable. And so that's that's one my one parting wisdom, because it's helped me insurmountably. Right. And then also, I would say, I think the only other thing I would say is that, you know, I tell people all the time my my clients, try at least to give yourself as much compassion as you do. Your best friends are the people that you love, because that's one thing I used to say all the time, but I never it's Christine Neff. That's her thing. She's a lot of into self compassion. But I used to try to tell people that all the time, but I never believed in myself. But I tried to think now like, if you're if you're feeling this way, like, what would you tell a friend? What would you what would How would you support a friend? Would you reach out? Oftentimes, I was telling myself that I couldn't do that. And I've given myself just a sliver of that now. And I would hope that the listeners or whoever would connect with me would do the same, or at least would want to explore that with me, or whoever you talk to.
Josh Tapp 27:26
Yeah. Well, so how can people connect with you? I know you have your podcast.
Unknown Speaker 27:30
Oh, yeah, I didn't even pull the plug.
Unknown Speaker 27:34
So my login now
Josh Tapp 27:35
go for it.
Cody Gauthier 27:37
So if you want to hear more about all of these things, we're actually doing a show on imposter syndrome next week. So the podcast is all yours. It's on Spotify and iTunes. We are part of the mental health radio news network. My co host Sam and I dive into so many different topics relating to like just I guess, the human experience. I take different things that I think about throughout the world. When I meet with clients and some of the struggles that they've gone through when I bring it into the room, and Sam and I process it in a really organized but like unstructured way, like you'll, you'll hear often it's like off the cuff. Um, and it's very relatable and and I hope that if the listeners get anything out of it, it's that it's we normalize it in a way that I don't think a lot of podcasts were able to say like, Look, this stuff really sucks like this is really hard to go through. We don't come at it through like this, like hyper clinical lens, right. But we want people to come out with a, with some insight on how they could best move forward, going through something like anxiety or imposter syndrome, or dealing with relationships or working through dating apps, like we've had some great episodes. So check out all yours. I love
Josh Tapp 28:41
it. I'll put that in there. And I'd also like to put a link to your TEDx talk as well. So we'll put those all in the description. But Cody, thanks so much for coming on sharing your wisdom and I think people are really going to get a lot of value out of this episode. So thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it man. The number one needle mover in my business is joint venture partnerships growing a following It can be time consuming and frustrating. For that reason we created the tribe of Titans the world's first joint venture matching platform. Using this free platform you can find guests for a podcast YouTube channel or Facebook group where you can promote your brand product or service in one simple place. You can create your free account as tribe dot the lucky titan.com once again, that's tribe dot the lucky titan.com
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